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Sep 25 2008

Originality is the classic car sin

James Ruppert

When it comes to old cars, what’s the point of originality? I like my vintage machinery to possess a bit of what the blokes in the trade call ‘patina’ – a dent here, a bubble there, some underlay from Carpetland in the rear footwell.

Mini1 Proof a car has been used gives it character in my book.

Yet among people who take classics seriously, originality and the maintenance thereof is the first commandment. Merely suggesting the transplant of non-period parts gets you the sort of opprobrium normally reserved for those found peeing on the bowls club green.

Which is why I know I’m not going to win any concours prizes for my decision to stick a Metro-spec ‘A-plus’ engine into my 1960s Mini Cooper. My excuse is that it was the only way to get the old girl running at the time.

Anyway, as I’m now sorting out my cluttered life, I thought a proper rebuild of the original lump was in order. Only to find, once the thing was reduced to its individual components, that it was no more ‘original’ than the A-plus I’d bunged in.

According to my engine rebuild guru the conrods were all different lengths, the manifold was wrong and it seemed to have swapped various oily bits with a Mini van at some point in the early ‘70s. No wonder it ran rough, then.

Sorting it out is already turning into a fantastically expensive business. Indeed, it’s starting to cost more than I’ve ever spent on a used car before. And now I’m trapped: I don’t know how ‘original’ I really want it to be.

That artificial showroom finish that the Concours mob go for isn’t originality for me, I want the car like I remember them looking in the early ‘80s, shabby and well-used. I probably shouldn’t admit it, but a gearlever gaiter that looks like an octogenarian’s *** is a thing of beauty to me.

The best story I ever wrote (before The British Car Industry, Our Part in its Downfall) was about my day out with the concours nutters, and I still have nightmares about it. That sort of behaviour is neither normal or natural.

My campaign for real old cars starts here.

 

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About James Ruppert

Used to sell BMWs, but he's no yuppie; has a '64 Mini Cooper in his garage and a '57 BSA Bantam in his house. Has bought and sold hundreds of used cars, and he isn't finished yet.

Comments

Carscibe.com September 25, 2008 2:50 PM

Hello James.

I go in the other direction; I'd like to modernise some parts of the classic car.

I'll get grief for this but I want to put a modern engine into a Citroen DS. The 2.4l Honda Accord (2003-2008) engine with 5speed auto gearbox, to be precise. I want to add AC, ABS, seats with head-restraints, re-trimmed in leather and seatbelts.

The bits of the DS I love, the styling and suspension would be great with a modern reliable, smooth, refined, quiet, engine-gearbox. It could be the car which I use everyday and never sell -no one would buy it anyway.

I'm not sure if it is possible, but when I get the funds, I'm going to look into it.

Ash

W124 September 25, 2008 3:26 PM

I had a 1275GT like the one in the photo!  Though it's back and white you can tell it's that awful dark rrown BL always used in the mid to late 70's - The engine was as rough a motor as I can remember - sure it's not one of those?

That car came to a sticky end on an icy West Norwood high street way back in the early 90's.  They roll well is all I'm saying...

Concours is madness - time and tide and all that.  I think prepping old motors up like that somehow robs them of their dignity and purpose - I use a guitar made in 1928 as my main instrument day to day - it would be totally wrong to put it its case and hide it away...

James Ruppert September 25, 2008 4:45 PM

I had access to a Brown Club in the mid '70s, more details in The British Car industry our Part in its Downfall of course, and I thought it was a lovely chocolate colour and it was Ziebarted so its didn't rust. I love the idea of a Honda powered DS, as there all sorts of wonderful combination you could come up with and Bristol with BMW a 3.0d I have investigated rather  too closely a while back, I think we could come up with all sorts of brilliant combinations...J

W124 September 25, 2008 5:14 PM

I'm always fascinated by those companies who upgrade classic Jags and the like with modern drivetrains and brakes etc.  I'd love to have a go in one...  There's somebody doing a the same to old Jensens at the moment as well I think.  Quality.

Carscibe.com September 25, 2008 7:24 PM

Hello

I love the modernized jags. I think the company is Knowles Wilbern (kwengineering.co.uk). I'll have a series 3 v12, please! Watching that Top Gear piece is where I got the idea from regarding DS modernized. But the DS never really came with a quiet and smooth engine so I thought, why not just replace it with a really good one. A Honda-DS. Great.

I'll throw something else into the mix: how about a modernised W100 Mercedes 600. Replacing all the heavy and unreliable hydraulics used to power window, sunroof etc with light electric motors from a modern car. And possibly the similar suspension from a Citroen.

BTW, Mr W124, I recently sold my '96 E320 W124 Estate. And I miss it (although not the fuel costs). I see really good conditions similar cars at japanese auctions and keep being tempted to bring one over. Trouble is they go for allot of money and would cost best about 3k landed in this country. But some have like-new condition. Maybe soon.

Ash

W124 September 25, 2008 8:48 PM

They seem to fetch the most unbelievable amounts of money those cars. they really are excellent though.  3k would be a bargain for a good one.

I think Brabus have updated a number of 600's with later engines.  They are very high on my list of cars I must drive. What a great idea to put a Honda engine in a DS though.  I wonder if you could get the mechanics of a late model Bentley, say an Arnage T, into the shell of a tobacco brown Silver Spirit?  Hmmmm...

James Ruppert September 25, 2008 11:07 PM

I do love the upgraded Jensen though paying a six sum for one is a problem, my local garage actually looks after two and plumbing an LPG system into one is a very good idea, otherwise I would love a properly sorted XJ6, I tried to sort my dads one out but it was beyond me. I like the idea of a fully functioning XJS...I also like Minors with 1275cc Marina A series and Metro seats...J

tortoise September 26, 2008 9:22 AM

My first car, yes that old gag, was a Mk2 Cortina 1600E.

Metallic purple with the full wood dash, white leatherette interior and a white webasto sunroof.

If I could re buy it I'd fit a 2 litre fuel injected sierra engine with 5 speed box and some decent stoppers.

Then drive like I used to........  

AidanP September 26, 2008 12:01 PM

I've been reading with interest.  My only and everyday car is a Bristol 411 Series 1 (with a similar but not identical Chrysler V8 to the Jensen).  The previous (Dutch) owner had already converted it to run on LPG so this has been my fuel of choice through almost 6 years of ownership - a few issues but none that couldn't be sorted and as I average 10mpg at least it means that I can affored to actually go somewhere in it.  Everything else that has been changed or modified has just been sensible stuff to make it more reliable and dependable.  Better modern cyclinder heads with more cooling capacity, a modren alternator so that you can sit in traffic in the winter with the lights and wipers on without worrying about battery drainage. Better shocks and slightly fatter tyres to stop and go round corners better etc etc. The most important change was so simple. Changing over from LPG to petrol was a bit hit and miss in the past as petrol had to be drawn up by vacuum before the thing would get going which involved much battery sapping engine turning and the risk of nothing happening until it was flat in winter.  Modification - a small additional pump and under dash switch and hey it all works perfectly smoothly.  It's all about reducing stress and just getting on and enjoying using it.  The interior is tatty as hell but I don't really care - it feels lived in.  The outside is sparkly and shiny even after 6 years (nice non orginal semi-metallic Mercedes spec paint) and as it lives on a London street the aluminium body is a joy rather than getting depressed about creeping rust spots. My next project - a second Bristol converted to run on those fancy powerful electric motors they will use in the soon to be launched Lightning GT with the batteries sited to keep the weight distribution about right. Could be extremely expensive but if legislation catches up with thirsty, dirty classics maybe there will be a market for retro-fitting other ways of propelling them in the rapid fuss-free way that owners of large V8 automatic classic cars are used to.  Food for thought!  Aidan

James Ruppert September 26, 2008 12:35 PM

Aidan, full marks for your pioneering work and especially on my very favourite marque. The electric is a great way to go and I have been thinking diesel too as there is an outfit near me who have an american V8 truck engine and trick 11 speed autobox that delivers 70mpg at 70mph so plumbing that into something as sublime as the Bristol would be a great idea. When my Saab gives up then I will following your shining example. Please keep up the good work

James

Straff September 30, 2008 2:06 PM

Citroen/Honda DS? Great idea - beautiful car in every way apart from that dog of an engine. Having said that; weren't Citroen originally going to put a flat 6 in the thing? I'm thinking Subaru here...

hybridrallyman September 30, 2008 2:24 PM

James good to see You're a fan of Bristols (the marque that is). I have had a few over the years. I had a 401 fitted with a Nissan Laurel 2.4 motor which was really sweet. The chap I sold it to fitted a 280Z engine. I also had a really solid 411 series 3 with uprated brakes and suspension. A Dubliner bought it with plans to fit a modern Turbo D Merc engine and use it as his daily driver. What an under rated car the 411 is!

My pet project for when I have more time is a 405 with a shortened 2 door open body, similar to the current Bristol Speedster but fitted with a modified Armstrong Siddeley 234 4 pot engine and o/d box. These are really strong pokey engines and there are plenty of 405 rolling shells about that have had their 6 cylinder Bristol engines pinched for racing cars. I suspect a Bristol Siddeley Special would get invitations to some historic motorsport events.

James Ruppert September 30, 2008 3:09 PM

Yes Rallyman I am a fan of Bristols in all the incarnations and the thought of a specialed up 405 sounds great, I'll have to go and find a shell now/ Love the idea of a Laurel engine in one, that would make Bristol purists spontaneously combust.

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