Well, this is a little embarrassing.
When I previously suggested that all drivers should be regularly reminded of their responsibilities on the road, reader Phil Townsend wrote to suggest that I ought not to be overtaking cars doing 60mph on dual carriageways in my Ford Ranger Raptor because its speed limit is also 60mph on such roads, owing to it being a light commercial vehicle.
Light commercial vehicles – vans and so on – have different speed limits to cars, as you may know, and indeed as I knew. They’re the same as cars for speed limits up to 50mph, but as for national speed limit roads, they’re limited to 50mph on single carriageways (not 60mph), 60mph on dual carriageways (not 70mph) and then revert to 70mph on motorways.
There are exceptions to this rule. Car-derived vans, such as the Toyota Corolla Commercial that is also currently on the Autocar fleet, have the same speed limits as cars. So do double-cab pick-up trucks, which are classed as dual-purpose vehicles.
I don’t have the Raptor’s V5C document, but I knew that’s what it was. Except it wasn’t. Because here’s the thing: dual-purpose vehicles are only such if their unladen weight is less than 2040kg, and the Raptor’s weight of 2454kg is somewhat over that.
I need to go through the spec sheets for all of the UK’s current double-cab pick-ups, because I suspect that not many are under that limit.
On this point, it doesn’t matter that HMRC doesn’t treat the Raptor as a van, owing to its sub-1000kg payload.
To qualify as a car-derived van, a vehicle must weigh less than 2000kg when fully loaded. So while the Corolla Commercial complies, the Land Rover Defender Commercial does not.
Also, the speed limit rule for car-derived vans works only for vans spawned from cars, rather than vans that have spawned passenger versions.
So the Corolla Commercial has car speed limits but the Citroën Berlingo is still defined as a van and therefore subject to lower speed limits (although I read that later variants might have ‘car-derived van’ on their V5Cs, and this isn’t something that applies to the passenger variants anyway, so don’t fret about the 10mph if you have one of those).
This can all be quite confusing, I think, and is certainly model-specific: Isuzu D-Maxes can qualify as dual-purpose vehicles, more road-focused pick-ups might not and no single-cab pick-up is allowed to.
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Moat of the problems bare human, just do the speed limit stated on the sign, pay attention to the speed your doing,if you get stopped it's your fault not somebody else, your driving the vehicle,you decide how fast etc,yes, there are too many speed areas,but we've got to slow down traffic in certain high risk areas like Schools , shopping precincts and the like, if your speeding,take the responsibility.
There's a seven mile stretch of A road where I live which has nine different speed limits,now if everyone obeyed them there'd be no problems,but, humans being humans, some drivers ignore them,that's where the issue is, you virtually can't speed, on my car I can set a speed limit so when I go over it it beeps at me and I slow down, your responsibility is to know your vehicles limits it's not difficult or hard to remember.